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and send my very best to gabby. >> thank you, piers. thank you very much. good evening, everyone, we begin with the very latest on talks to end the government shutdown heading off a debt ceiling breach. it has been a fast-moving day on wall street, the debt ceiling just three days away. the shutdown entering its third week. after working over the weekend, the senate lawmakers were back at it today, mitch mcconnell and harry reid talking about it on the floor. the key meeting between the congressional leaders at the white house was supposed to happen this week. that was postponed. the question, is the senate actually close to a deal, chief congressional correspondent dana bash and senior white house correspondent brianna keiler.
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>> this has to do with the debt ceiling, earlier today sources in both parties told us that the framework of this deal increased the debt ceiling until february 15th, now we're told by sources in both parties that that is going to be a week shorter, likely february 7th. might not seem like a lot. but that is key for a couple of reasons, the primary reason is that is the area where republicans feel like they're getting more of what they wanted. because democrats had initially wanted to extend the debt ceiling all the way through the next election because they don't want to have this issue to be used as ransom, if you will. and republicans wanted to do a shorter debt ceiling increase because they do want to use that issue as leverage for all of the things that they want in the future. entitlement reform, tax reform. anything that they can get as a broader deal, dealing with the debt and deficit.
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so that is a bit of a change, but with regard to reopening the government, the framework of this deal seems to be pass a bill, fund the government until january 15th, and making sure that budget negotiators have a deadline before the month of december, so the hope is we don't have this crisis again, that they actually do their work, put together a deal that lasts throughout the crisis. and the government would be funded throughout january. >> and it seems, dana, there are issues on the table, is there a possibility -- the senate democratic leaders have refused such a thing in the past. >> it seems like a real probability, this is from sources in both parties, anderson, even some democratic sources who vowed never to put anything on the table with regard to obama care, because they didn't want to use it as ransom to extend the debt ceiling or fund the government. but the issues are dealing with
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the people getting subsidies, making sure they're verified with regard to how much income they get. make sure there is no fraud. which i think people in a bipartisan way agree on. and it is actually something that democrats have really wanted and that is to make sure that employees -- there is an employee fee, that that is waived for a year. and that is something that unions, the huge democratic constituency did not like in this law. they are not delaying or funding, but there are changes -- >> the question is will it be enough in the house, particularly for republicans who ran on de-funding or delaying obama care. >> and the answer right now, anderson, we don't know. the house just had a series of votes. so our team was able to talk to a number of lawmakers, republicans, they were very much standoffish. they said we have to wait for the details. as you can imagine, they don't love this idea, but the choice, if and when they get it, they
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may try to change it. but ultimately it seems as though cooler heads are more likely to prevail now because of that debt ceiling deadline we have coming -- >> but it would still be up to speaker boehner to bring it to the floor in the house. >> you're exactly right. now speaker boehner was at least a part of the talks, a little bit going on this morning. he was in mitch mcconnell's office, so he knows what is going on. but you're right, it is something that he may be willing to do that he has not been willing to do for two weeks which is something his conservative members may not like. >> all right, brianna keeler joins us now. >> they seem encouraged, but i think they're cautious, you saw one of the top aides to president obama on capitol hill, you heard dana say they would be instrumental if speaker boehner puts something on the floor. he was shoring up to make sure
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president obama kept his deal. overall, the short-term extension of the debt ceiling, the short-term funding of the government, these are acceptable to the white house. the president wants longer. but certainly when it comes to the debt ceiling that is preferable to default at this point. i think it is interesting, you see two officials here -- well, doesn't this put us right back in the same place here in a couple of months? and their calculus, it has been so damaging to republicans, polls show how hard they have been hit. they think that republicans are not going to want to battle it out in the same way because it was so damaging. >> it was supposed to be a non-starter when these negotiations started. is the white house willing to back off that position? >> this is interesting, anderson, you talk to officials. they insist the president is not negotiating on the debt ceiling,
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on the government reopening with obama care. but at the same time they won't pour water on some of these obama care provisions. for instance, they say it matters on how it will be executed. their concern is that if you're going to make americans who really deserve subsidies under the law, to help pay for their health insurance premiums, they don't want the verification system to be so onerous that it discourages people from getting it. officials here feel like they're very small fry concessions compared to the issues that dana talked about. >> and amy klobuchar has been involved in the talks. how close are they to a deal? >> well, very, very close, it
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has been a productive day after a long, long week. they feel very good about it. the two main purposes are to open up again, and to make sure we're not defaulting, to pay bills and get a reasonable amount of time to pay the budget. >> at this point, what are the major sticking points? >> well, you know, i think it is probably not a good idea to negotiate it on your show, as fun as it would be. but i think the main points, of course, the dates. i think it is really important to have a shorter time period to try to get that budget negotiation going. the senate has passed a budget. the house has passed the budget. and in that old song, school house rock, a bill on capitol hill. to get the bill done, you have to meet. and that is the process that will be started with this agreement. because we're going to have a limited time, you know, whether it is two months, three months, to be able to get that done.
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and i think that will be helpful, as well as a clear message to the entire world that we're going to pay our bills and we're not going to have a stock market plummet like we had back in 2011. >> i get that you don't want to go into some of the sticking points. as we understand it, the republicans have gotten some minor affordable care act provisions into the current deal. the president has said he wouldn't use changes to the health care law ransom for lifting the government or the debt ceiling, so why are they on board with it? >> i think we have to wait until the entire agreement it announced. but i think the main point here was the words we were hearing from the house, the bills coming out of there were major partisan poison pills, delaying the affordable care act for a year. messing around with birth control provisions. what the leaders are talking about now, are much more focused on individual issues, that have been raised in the past sometimes by both sides.
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>> so it is not going to be something like that delaying the individual mandate for a year? >> that is not what we're hearing, no, anderson, it won't be something that significantly would change a major policy simply with the threat of a government shutdown. >> the republicans in the house are really concerned about changing the sequester. they say you're moving the goal post. what do you say to that? >> i say our job is to score a touchdown for the american people. and we do that to open the government again, so we have clinics, cancer trials going again, so we also send a message that we'll pay our bills. what happened here if it is similar to the agreements we have been talking about in the bipartisan group of six democrats and six republicans is that we want to try to get a date that hits before that next stage of sequester cuts hit, which is january 15th. that will give both sides a chance to make their cases to try to get an agreed-upon budget that could still possibly have cuts, i believe it will.
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but we could change the amounts or do different things by replacing them with other things, whether it is revenue or government reforms. those are the things we'll be able to look at. >> the government begins to default on loans thursday, three days. how confident are you that you and your colleagues will reach an agreement by then? >> well, i'm confident about the senate, simply because we had a strong bipartisan group led by senator colins. and we have been moving throughout the weekend. also because the senate is a place where bills take place, we passed the farm bill, waiting on the house, passed the immigration bill, waiting on the house. a number of bills have pass understand the middle of financial crisis, like the fiscal cliff last year, that was passed in the senate first and then had had to go over to the house. it was a very difficult time in the house but we got it done. so this is a pattern that we've seen, despite the hard filibuster rules, we have in the end found common ground and found a bill.
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and that is what we'll see in the senate. >> senator klobuchar, thank you. >> thank you. >> and newt gingrich was involved in two government shutdowns when he was house speaker. he knows what these talks are like. he joins me tonight. >> mr. speaker, you're not upbeat at all about this compromise that is coming together, why? >> well, i think it is going to be the usual washington last minute deal, kick the can further down the road. very limited change, if anything. and i think that we face very real problems as a country. my bias is simple, when we were elected in '94, we decided we would reform welfare and medicare and balance the federal government. and we did balance it for four consecutive years. so i look at this kind of stuff, secret meetings and deals, you know, lawyers come out and say we're having great discussions. i would like to know what is on the table and i would like to know it before they vote.
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>> cornell, are they just kicking the can down the road? >> well, let's not escape the context of this, this was a crisis created by the house republicans. and don't be surprised, agree what, the senate is moving things forward, because this senate has to move statewide. i am actually upbeat that the senate has actually taken this up. i knew if we were going to reach any sort of deal it had to begin in the senate. the question is, anderson, when the democrats and republicans vote up and down in the senate and it moves over to the house, will speaker boehner be able to put it on the floor without having the majority, which has quite frankly handcuffed him in the last couple of weeks. >> let me start with a very simple fact just recognized. they're actually negotiating. what has john boehner said in the last three weeks? we need to negotiate. we're all celebrating.
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we're finally having people talk to each other. hopefully they will come up with an agreement. it has to be an agreement acceptable to the house or it is just a press conference. not acceptable to the law. and there is a childish attitude with the media on the left, about trying to isolate john boehner, the speaker and the house doesn't matter. in the end, if it does not pass it will not become law. so boehner will end up being a part of this negotiation. >> hold that thought, we'll be right back, join us in our discussions on "ac360," i'll tweet tonight, as well. otherwise, in the health care mess otherwise known as health.gov, in prime time, we're keeping them honest, ahead.
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>> that is what democratic sources are telling dana bash, former house speaker newt gingrich and cornell belcher. >> quite frankly, what republicans are trying to do is get out of the process, the elections do have consequences, they have tried to extort, knowing with the up and down vote in the senate and trying to extort something from the president, and that is not the way democracy works, democracy works this way, if you have enough vote news the house and senate and then the president will pass it, you can pass it, so what they don't have is enough votes and the president will not pass it. and the senate and the president both elected. >> what is funny with that question, i agree with it. elections have consequences.
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in 2010, they pasted obama care, lost 66 seats in the house, seats to republicans who were elected on an anti-obama health care, those republicans are still in office. so two sides, this is why the president should negotiate, because the elections have consequences, the house republicans, they can't demand everything, that was the start of negotiations. the president can't demand everything and get everything. they should start negotiations, what is amazing, you haven't seen either senator reid or the president willing to negotiate as though there were two sides winning elections. >> but mr. speaker, the obama care, the affordable care act, i mean, president obama ran on that twice and won beating republicans who ran against it. they lost, the supreme court passed it. said it was constitutional. and it was passed by congress into law. so at some point, doesn't it have to actually start?
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>> no, because in -- i was there when they passed a -- what was called the catastrophic medical bill for senior citizens, and they hated it so badly that in two years they repealed it. >> but there were not enough votes to repeal it. >> this is going to be an ongoing process, though, and if you look at the current rollout and the number of people reporting this their insurance prices are going up, not down, i suspect we'll debate obama care at least through the 2016 election. >> well, mr. speaker, if you're correct, prices are going up, which by the way a lot of indications say that the health care prices are stabilizing, beginning to go down. but if you're right, well, then let the process play out. why try to extort something from this process by which you know you can't win on a straight up and down vote in the country. and here is the beauty of this, the cherry on top, you know what
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is actually going up in favorables as this debate goes on, the affordable care act, right now, washington just put another poll out having republicans under water 53 points. that is worse than when you did it, mr. speaker. right now the president is under water 11 points on this negotiation. you all are losing, and the affordable care act is going up as your ratings go down. this is a losing proposition for the republicans. >> well, look, i think this is the beginning of a long conversation, i think the country understands we have to get our deficits under control. the country understands we can't keep going on a road where we have 17 trillion in national debt. we're going to pay over $4 trillion in the next ten years, just on the debt, that is 4 trillion not going to the environment, health care, the schools, just going to pay bond care. and there is a historic reason to be worried about this. i think you will see us back and
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forth with this argument between a party that wants to increase spending, and a party that wants to control spending. that is what you will see. a veteran's group is condemning the political nature of the rally over the weekend which is protesting the closure of the world war ii memorial. and they say now on their facebook page, some would seem to hijack the narrative for political gain. >> reporter: we're being shut down. the rhetoric in washington has boiled over. protesters gathered outside the white house gates on sunday. long-time activist larry clayman issued this order. >> to demand this president leave town, to get out. to put the quran down, to get up
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off his knees and to figuratively come out with his hands up. >> it had a hint of a political rally, with surprise guests, like new tea party member ted cruz. >> why is the federal government spending money to erect barricades to keep americans out? >> we will not be timi did in calling out any who would use our military, our vets, as pawns in a political gain. >> reporter: some the of the veterans who organized the rally to complain. and on capitol hill, more republicans are starting to feel that way about the far right, in general. >> certainly the republicans have been in a place that was not going to lead to success in the last six weeks or so. >> reporter: all of this is taking a toll on the party's image. this week's cover party features the ghosts of boehner and cruz
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haunting the halls of the capitol hill. others say the tea party strategy is not working. >> we have shut down the government basically for nothing. and it has not made a lot of sense strategically. and republicans in washington are frustrated. but the tea party has not been helpful to link delaying or de-funding obama care to shutting down the government. >> reporter: also on the hill, democrats can't resist partisan trash-talking themselves. >> when you start acting like you're committing domestic abuse, you have got a problem. i love you dear, but, you know, i'm shutting down your entire government. >> sarah palin flies in, and says that veterans shouldn't be used as political pawns, but now the veteran's group which actually put together this rally is essentially saying people were using these vets as political pawns.
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>> yes, well, the veteran's group put a statement on its facebook page today, anderson, i'll read part of that to you they should say the political agenda put forth by a local organizer in washington, d.c. yesterday, put together by larry clayman, was not in line with our objective. some would seek to have political gain. the core reason was to honor the veterans in a peaceful and dedicated manner. our love for veterans continues regardless of party or affiliations or leanings. now, you may take that statement to mean they're talking about ted cruz and sarah palin. but we spoke to ted cruz' office today, and they're agreeing with the statement. one spokesperson said it is unfortunate that the media has allowed this activity to deflect from the real reason, the veteran's group is actually referring to all of these politicians who joined in with the rally today, anderson. >> it is really fascinating stuff. and a lot of stuff was said in
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on capitol hill today, the democrats and republicans were trying to work out a deal. house speaker boehner released a sentence saying if the senate reached an agreement, the members of the house would review it. congressman, so you have heard the details, the deal that is coming together in the senate. government funding through january 15th, a debt ceiling increased through february 7th. is it something you could accept at this point? >> well, i think only because of the circumstances we'll accept it. we're likely to change something nominal, because it is coming from the house, putting that aside it would be substantially the same package, it probably will pass here. i think it is unfortunate that we missed an opportunity. you know, both sides are behind closed doors admitting we have a debt problem. this was a chance to fix some part of it. we didn't do that. but at least both sides are talking right now. that is where we are. and the fact that vice president
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joe biden is involved tells me the president is serious about getting something done. >> when we spoke last week, you say it was more of a fight with the house than the senate and the president. you said the senate were acting like the house of lords. will that be an obstacle for you and your colleagues? >> well, i think some, for sure. but i think part of this was overdue, when i say that about the senate it is not about egos. it is about regular order, there would be no continuing resolution if we passed the funding like we were supposed to. four years, they wouldn't pass a budget. they have yet to pass even one appropriations bill. that is the type of stuff that makes the house feel like they ignore us. and that they don't even want to do the job that the american people demand of them and that the constitution demands. so it is not just about egos or bad feelings, it is actually
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about doing the people's work and getting back to regular order. because you don't have a continuing resolution problem. >> what about the house republicans who are de-funding or delaying obama care? where do they go from here if this deal is done and it has some nominal changes to obama care, but there is no individual delay on the mandate, or the things that they have been talking about that they have been fundraising on, how do they explain that to their consistency. >> well, i do believe that the obama care was bad policy. it was created during a super majority. you have to go back to the first two years of this president's presidency. the gavel was held by nancy pelosi, all three, you had us in the minority, we couldn't do anything. to change this law, we're going to need a super majority again to get rid of it. we can tinker around the edges,
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where there was bipartisan support. we're going to have to explain that to the american people and say we've done the best we can. but we can't ruin or destroy the country because of it. this law, in my opinion, will crumble under its own weight. as people recognize all the problems with it, then they will understand why we fought so strongly against it. but now, unfortunately, we're going to have to let the american people see you know, how bad it is for themselves, so i think those republicans just simply need to be honest with their constituents. and assistant manager director, gloria, you heard the congressman there, what did you make of what he said. >> well, republicans have stepped on their own message, the congressman came out and said look, i don't like obama
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care, but now we have to explain to the american public what was really so bad about it and why we started it in the first place. the irony of this entire fight is that if you look at the polling anderson, people are now encouraged about obama care. whereas, you know -- >> it has actually gone up. >> it has actually gone up in the polling, despite all the procedural backlash, they're done by some points, 20 points in the polls, they haven't gotten anything by it. my question is, will the majority of the republicans vote for this in the house? and i don't know the answer to that. i suspect not, though. >> but do a majority need to vote for it? >> well, the question is will speaker boehner bring it to the floor, if he doesn't have a majority? that is a big question, as congressman grim just noted. he seems to think it will come to the deadline, where they have no choice. that is the big question mark,
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anderson, we assume we're getting closer to a deal. part of this optimism is a front. they're saying their optimistic, not that they're not making progress or making negotiating efforts for it in the senate. but they're not there yet. at noon they were optimistic, we don't have a deal yet, do we? part of the optimism is to keep the financial markets from tanking. and if they don't have a deal by this time tomorrow. >> and in 2008, we saw a huge loss, the dow lost more than 700 points in a single day. the fact that the markets have not been reacting all day, how significant is that? >> well, i think it is interesting, one, there is a cash cushion, about $30 billion, the government could pay its bills for another week or two. now if we got to the point at the beginning of november which is when there is a lot of bills like social security checks come due, then you wouldn't have an
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agreement. i think you would see a wholesale panic, but markets have been here before. we have had 18 government shutdowns since 1976. so there is a little fingers crossed here. the first week, markets were okay. the next week, a little more unstable. i think we get to thursday and there was not a deal. you're going to see a lot more volatility. >> and gloria, let's look at that abc washington poll, the congressional republicans are not doing well, as you said. how key is this moment for the republican party? >> well, i think it is very key. we don't know how key it is going to be in the long-term, but just look at this poll. republicans in congress, disapproval on handling this. 74%. you know, president obama at 53%, still not a great number, but a huge disparity there. we don't know if this will be a long-term issue for them in the way that say hurricane katrina
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was bad for george w. bush, or the 47% was bad for mitt romney, but we do know there was certain times in history where the american public was focused on an issue. they take a look at it. they decide and they recall and they remember somewhere down the road. so we don't know the long-term impact, but i would have to say as a presidential party you see such a split in the republican party. i don't know how they reconcile their differences in a presidential campaign. >> and john, for president obama, is the damage done already? what happens down the road? >> it is fair to say the president is losing even by winning here. in the short-term he is losing less by winning the budget battle. we're heading into a mid-term election, listen to what the congressman just told you,
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imagine this confrontation as a dinner party, the president doesn't trust the speaker, the president doesn't have a relationship with the senate republican leader, the senate majority, doesn't want the vice president involved. the tea party members don't trust their own speaker and are suspicious of their own leadership. nobody here trusts each other. nobody wants to get along. >> why didn't he want the vice president involved? >> because he thought the vice president the last time he got involved cut a deal to the last two republicans, he essentially said the senate is my turf, let me negotiate. it is so deep and multi-layered, even if at the last deal they get a band aid, if you're the second term, you're still going to have a divided government, with the republicans taking back the house, i know it is impossible to do the math. so every day that passes, where is the immigration reform, the grand bargain, this president is not getting his second agenda. >> and if you were to ask who do
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you blame for it that it would break down on party lines, that republicans would still blame the president, you know, and democrats would blame republicans, so i still think you have that divide in the country, but i do believe the republicans have done themselves absolutely no favor. >> and over the weekend, the director of the imf said the u.s. must raise the debt ceiling or there would be massive issues the world over. >> and my first point was no, we're not going to go off the cliff on thursday. but in a couple of weeks if you don't have a deal, yes, there will be major problems, the dollar is the world's currency. this is what most of the world's business is done on. so if the value goes down, you're really hearing pressure from the chinese government to cut a deal. one thing that is very interesting, the business community is increasingly blaming republicans for what is going on. you're seeing a complete plummeting for consumer
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confidence, business confidence, spending for the next half of the year, which will be very much down. i'm just hoping whatever sort of deal we get that it doesn't kick from you know, into the christmas shopping season, because then you're really going to see growth go down hugely. >> thank you, up next, we're going to investigate why the obama care website is such a big mess. what is being done to fix it, and why getting information out of the white house is almost as frustrating. also, the report of the kidnapped story of madeleine mccann, up next. breaking news, republicans and democrats in the senate working on a deal that would build character through quality. and earn the right to be called a classic. the lands' end no iron dress shirt. starting at 49 dollars.
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breaking news, republicans and democrats in the senate working on a deal that would reopen the government and fund the through january 15th, and increase the debt ceiling through january 7th. the shutdown, keeping them honest, generally considered to be a mess since october first when the obama administration's official website healthcare.gov, hundreds have been unable to log on or been booted off the site. the administration has been unable to say how many people have successfully signed on for insurance. tomorrow, they are looking into a source to determine what happened. they still will not say how many have signed up. drew griffin has more on the problems.
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>> reporter: since day one, senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen has tried day after day, night after night, even in the wee hours of the morning to sign up for obama care. it was not until today she was able to log on. >> you know, even with your own computer you have to be very, very diligent, i had to log on several times in order to get success. it took a lot. not everyone is going to want to gain the gain, like i did. >> what is troubling here is that the fail the rollout was not a surprise to anyone involved with it. >> insurance executives have been warning the administration bluntly that this whole system is not ready for prime time. >> reporter: he heads a consulting firm trying to help guide physician groups, hmos and major health insurance companies through the industry changes. >> the administration didn't seem to understand the seriousness of it. they were blase about it.
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they continued to assure the industry that there were not going to be any problems. >> reporter: back in june, two more alarms. the government's own accounting office said they were having critical problems meeting deadlines. much remains to be accomplished even within a short amount of time. in fact, even before the rollout, the obama administration was warning there would be glitches, no big deal, a theme the president himself even repeated after it got off to a troubled start. >> consider just weeks ago, apple rolled out a new system, within days they found a glitch so they fixed it. i don't remember anybody suggesting apple should not sell more phones or ipads. >> reporter: the main problem, according to the administration, is that it is just overloaded. suffering from its own
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popularity, too many people needing health care rushing to sign on all at once, even though they have until march 31st to sign up. that sounds good, but is it what is really going on? short answer, it is impossible to tell because the administration won't tell us how many people have signed up and have changed their story in the process. at first, the administration said it didn't know. >> 48 hours, no, we don't have that data. >> reporter: then we were told to ask somebody else. >> you should ask hhs. >> reporter: and then? >> we will clear this up on regularly monthly intervals just like was done in massachusetts and was done and is done when it comes to medicare part d. >> reporter: so while we can't get national numbers, we got a hint from individual states. as of this moment, the states gave the actual numbers of
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people who signed up and paid for obama care. that number? 20,994. there are another 96,980 who have not paid. >> and what was the result of more questions? >> it is about keeping them honest, we requested an interview with the administration. one question, if the administration knew there would be so many glitches why did the administration plan ahead with the rollout? we were told no one was available to answer that. and we were still waiting to find out when the point person for all of this, kathleen sebelius will be able to talk to us. >> she was on the daily show, and didn't do a great job there,
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maybe that is why they're not putting her out again. why don't they at least give out the national numbers? i don't know if they have them or is it just for pr reasons they don't want to give them out? >> well, as to why they wouldn't give us actual numbers, i don't know, other than the say people have until march 31st, the administration probably wants to give it time to get better numbers. and it may be related to those numbers, anderson. numbers is what this is all about. you need lots and lots of people, lots of healthy people signing up to make this work. if that is not happening and the administration knows it is not happening it could explain why the actual numbers are being held in such secrecy. >> all right, they say a month into it they will release numbers, we'll see. up next, a possible break in the case of the missing little girl, more than six years after the little girl, madeleine mccann vanished, police may have identified a suspect. ahead. >> could be a major new lead in
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the two people gave him the same name. now, years later, a possible break in the case. >> reporter: this is the face of a man who police want to find in connection with the disappearance of madeleine mccann, six years after the pre-schooler went missing while on a family vacation in portugal, scotland yard released these computer generated sketches of a man they say was in the area at the time madeleine vanished. witnesses describe him as a white male, 20 to 40 years old, with short brown hair, and a medium build. >> they're clear, i would ask the public to look very carefully at them. if they know who this person is, please come forward. >> reporter: it is part of appeal to the public to come forward for information. it is part of the exhaustive investigation that spanned some 30 countries. they have looked at phone records and interviewed some 400 witnesses.
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police say they have a time line of when the kidnapping could have taken place. >> everything that can be of value is being examined and looked at, things which were not done before. there is no guarantee that we'll get an answer to this. but at least everything has been tried. and i think at the very least we owe the mccann's that. >> reporter: madeleine's parents say they have never given up hope that they will find their little girl alive. >> there has been a number of cases over the last few years of children and young women who have been taken and held for long periods of time, so as parents we wouldn't say otherwise until we see evidence that that is the case. >> so erin, why are investigators coming forward with this evidence now? >> reporter: hi, anderson, this is the latest stage of an exhaustive investigation.
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police have questioned hundreds of witnesses and gone through thousands of documents. what they have done is establish a timeline that enables them to start new theories and do away with old ones, and now police are starting to take a look at this individual very carefully, anderson. >> all right, so they hope somebody with a new time line will look at this sketch with fresh eyes. still to come tonight, an alleged bomber now in new york after being captured by american forces in libya, we'll tell you what is next for him coming up.
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let's get caught up on some of the other stories we're following, susan hendricks has more. and anas al liby taken off the streets in a raid earlier this month is now in new york. he is expected to face trial in the u.s. federal court for allegedly planning the bombs in the u.s. ambassadors in kenya and tanzania. and jury selection beginning where dr. martin mcneal is charged with the murder of his wife. prosecutors say he was living a double life, and his motive for the murder was to live with his girlfriend, a woman named gypsy. and a cruise ship requiring parental supervision for kids under the age of 13. and a florida woman got trapped on a drawbridge as it

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